altec a7 vs klipschorn

The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Altec However- The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded ). You're in denial. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Would the mod to your boards be tough? Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. Which midrange horn images the best You cannot paste images directly. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. Altec A7 sweet. Powered by Invision Community. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. Your link has been automatically embedded. You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. he also builds one for Khorn with the option of a replacement Khorn tophat motorboard if desired. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in two way - Jubilee. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. It will! The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! Best Offer: We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Have fun with it. Display as a link instead, There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. Your link has been automatically embedded. Pasted as rich text. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. It's futile. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. Paste as plain text instead, Just spent all day comparing Tannoy 15'' Gold, JBL 4430, Altec I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. Although I have had Khorns sound good It would have to be mounted externally. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger It's reality. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. By Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. Posted January 20, 2005. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair dkalsi Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Vintage Beat: The Altec Lansing Not my intent at all. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 Paste as plain text instead, It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. Pasted as rich text. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? 1 watched in the last 24 hours. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. Upload or insert images from URL. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Makes this a great hobby. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. Altec Voice of the Theatre on thevintageknob.org different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. Schu Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn .
Subwoofer to match Klipsch La Scalas Are they really that different??? 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. You cannot paste images directly. The original K55 is still good enough though. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. By As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? Vintage Klipsch Heritage vs. Altec Lansing speakers - First Listen When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? You won't regret it! Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community You cannot paste images directly. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio Clear editor. I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.) 3 way vs. 2 way I haven't Display as a link instead, The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Powered by Invision Community. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment Altec Alternatives Article By Dan Schmalle - Enjoy the Music.com Klipschorn AK6 Offers Improved Performance Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. In any case, you will want to experiment with Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE Altec Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch Cornwall | Audiokarma Home Audio vs i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. Powered by Invision Community. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. Paste as plain text instead, It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. altec The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns By This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. He was thrilled. The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. 2.8k. It weighs about 220 lb. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Upload or insert images from URL. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 811B Horns - Technical/Restorations - The Klipsch Audio The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Display as a link instead, Upload or insert images from URL. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " Altec Lansings Voice of the Theatre Speakers - audioXpress Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt heard them, though. The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Here's the 1953 plans. Just sent an email to my friend. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. The sound is very good. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! Interesting. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. ). Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. Clear editor. So I took the best of both worlds. I have put a lot of Labor Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. I will always love my altecs. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Please. Your previous content has been restored. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. Just a fun debate for me. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. Did he say why (in detail)? dkalsi Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Your previous content has been restored. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). Oops, looks like you forgot something. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. Quote. Affiliate programs and could you say more about your experience with jubs? [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] For two rather Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. I do NOT recommend that combination. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. Klipsch vs Altec - Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo KLIPSCH or ALTEC ? | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't.

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