There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. venus+mars, etc. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. 12th house issues are not always supportive. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. Dawn, thank you for writing this article. While this is tricky to do, it takes a bit of analysis and creativity. So much more needs to be considered. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! should i run away from this relationship? This is brilliant and compassionate. Our situation was kind of complicated. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. That was over three years ago. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. ? He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Or ? Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. What is it that makes it work? There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. Its weird weird weird . Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Because, of Saturn and Pluto? What is the best approach? @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Your article is amazing! You will both be changed deeply by it. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. Chiron in the houses will show where your sign is expressed, including the location, the part of the psyche, the timeline, etc. We have had such a difficult relationship. the 12th house the asteroid Juno Chiron Aspects between these features of the chart reveal a lot of information about your relationship. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. Thank you in advance. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Separation from the Source may lead to existential pain. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. Its part of me. Dont worry, Evelyne. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. Thank you SO very much for this post. Note that composite Venus (12th house) is trine Jupiter/Cupido by implication through its trine with Ceres at 29 Libra. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Im a Pisces sun 7house. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. Im always attracted to those types of relationships Haunting Unable to forget it? His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. Greetings. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. Im sorry to hear your story. They are tenacious and will not give up until they achieve their goals. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. What to make of this? But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. We find with the Clinton composite chart (see chart at the top of the next page) that the planet Chiron conjunct Venus in the 3rd house, which semi-sextiles . Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. I feel so helpless! My english is not very good. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . Its pretty rare. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. They rip the rug from under you every other day. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. Thanks for taking the time to respond. so we find the True in each other. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. It's on my twelfth house and I don't really understand how to interpret that. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Ego issues in relationship. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. So to me, it's all about commitment issues. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! My first sister has Chiron in the 12th house of gemini, and she was 'born dead' due to suffocation from inhaling meconium. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). hello, nice article Dawn. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. Im from a country in southamerica. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. intresting to know why its so bad. Chiron In 12th House Man, Chiron In 12th House Male. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. Difficult to ground your energy. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Chiron In 12th House Composite, Composite Chiron In Twelfth House Issues from the past can resurface in the partnership when Composite Chiron is in the 12th House. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. When it comes to relationship troubles, try taking an alternative approach. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Doing stuff without thinking clearly. Chiron In 1st House, Chiron In First House Meaning; Sun In 1st House, Sun In First . Dear Dawn, Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. What do you think? Thank you for your answer. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. this is honestly so beautiful to read. I use both in my practice. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance.
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